Zodiac´s many different handwritings

[smithy Profile]

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Thanks entropy, that's very interesting indeed. What a pity that my use of the "good post" emoticon coincides with the top of a page. Ho hum.

Ted fans might be interested to know that Wiki says (of DID) "According to documents released under the FOIA, psychiatrists linked to Project MKULTRA deliberately induced this disorder in patients, in mind control experiments."
If they don't know already.
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[Aud8us Profile]

Although the use of "+" is somewhat common, the way in which it was written could be unique, just like any character of the alphabet. The way Z wrote the "+" was somewhat unique I think, but you can't authenticate a letter on just that alone. Basically, a series of characters have to match. All the fakes are either missing something, or more commonly, have characters written in a way that never corresponded with known Zodiac writing. Zodiac was pretty consistent in how he wrote certain characters. Yeah, he could write them differently at times, but 90% of the time, he would write them a certain way. The Jack Terrence letters - they were full of lower case "a's" (only one example, there are others) written in a manner which matched no known Zodiac correspondence, even once. Nanette Barto's inability to see this shows she is a very amateur "handwriting analyst" at best. It can also be shown that even when Z was purposefully trying to write differently (ex: Belli letter), he would tire and revert back to his original style towards the end of the communication. Zodiac also had routine ways of writing his numbers, these can eliminate fakes as well. I have yet to see a good suspect whose handwriting even comes close to that of the original Zodiac Killer. I've looked at other people's POI's and as soon as I see the handwriting, mismatches show up. It's hard for me to take anything else seriously about the POI once I see that kind of thing.

[Theforeigner Profile]

Although the use of "+" is somewhat common, the way in which it was written could be unique, just like any character of the alphabet. The way Z wrote the "+" was somewhat unique I think, but you can't authenticate a letter on just that alone. Basically, a series of characters have to match. All the fakes are either missing something, or more commonly, have characters written in a way that never corresponded with known Zodiac writing. Zodiac was pretty consistent in how he wrote certain characters. Yeah, he could write them differently at times, but 90% of the time, he would write them a certain way. The Jack Terrence letters - they were full of lower case "a's" (only one example, there are others) written in a manner which matched no known Zodiac correspondence, even once. Nanette Barto's inability to see this shows she is a very amateur "handwriting analyst" at best. It can also be shown that even when Z was purposefully trying to write differently (ex: Belli letter), he would tire and revert back to his original style towards the end of the communication. Zodiac also had routine ways of writing his numbers, these can eliminate fakes as well. I have yet to see a good suspect whose handwriting even comes close to that of the original Zodiac Killer. I've looked at other people's POI's and as soon as I see the handwriting, mismatches show up. It's hard for me to take anything else seriously about the POI once I see that kind of thing.

Concerning my POI, here is a little bit to look at.
All letterings of my POI is from the same ca 25 word text written in late 60´s:

[Zsearcher Profile]

I'm going to let you in on a little secret.

There is one letter that is quite unique to Zodiac in the way he writes it when he writes sloppy.

Most of the other letters vary from letter to letter, but this one letter is very consistent.

If you look at Zodiac's letter "s" it starts with a right to left top arc, then has a very tight angle turn on the left to right second curve. This is the unique part.

TF, your POI appears to have a very similar turn. It appears to be even sharper than Zodiac's "s", maybe a little too sharp.

Still it is very interesting to see that trait I noticed, which I've kept to myself until now.

Zs

[entropy Profile]

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Thanks entropy, that's very interesting indeed. What a pity that my use of the "good post" emoticon coincides with the top of a page. Ho hum.

Ted fans might be interested to know that Wiki says (of DID) "According to documents released under the FOIA, psychiatrists linked to Project MKULTRA deliberately induced this disorder in patients, in mind control experiments."
If they don't know already.
Sorry if I'm off-topic here. It happens.

I don't think that's off-topic, smithy. Many hallucinogens are known to cause dissociation, which presumably was the goal of that particular MKUltra experiment. The idea of Zodiac, operating in 1960's SF Bay area, using hallucinogens is not hard to imagine, IMO. Could this or perhaps other drugs explain the radical differences in handwriting from letter to letter? I think that's very possible.

Foreigner, can we presume that your POI was asked to give handwriting to law enforcement somewhere along the line? It certainly does look very similar. Was he asked to copy the text of the desktop poem? If so, I think it was a terrible idea since the jury is still out whether this had anything to do with Zodiac. Perhaps I missed the background on your POI?

[Theforeigner Profile]

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Thanks entropy, that's very interesting indeed. What a pity that my use of the "good post" emoticon coincides with the top of a page. Ho hum.

Ted fans might be interested to know that Wiki says (of DID) "According to documents released under the FOIA, psychiatrists linked to Project MKULTRA deliberately induced this disorder in patients, in mind control experiments."
If they don't know already.
Sorry if I'm off-topic here. It happens.

I don't think that's off-topic, smithy. Many hallucinogens are known to cause dissociation, which presumably was the goal of that particular MKUltra experiment. The idea of Zodiac, operating in 1960's SF Bay area, using hallucinogens is not hard to imagine, IMO. Could this or perhaps other drugs explain the radical differences in handwriting from letter to letter? I think that's very possible.

Foreigner, can we presume that your POI was asked to give handwriting to law enforcement somewhere along the line? It certainly does look very similar. Was he asked to copy the text of the desktop poem? If so, I think it was a terrible idea since the jury is still out whether this had anything to do with Zodiac. Perhaps I missed the background on your POI?

No I dont belive he was ever asked to do any handwriting samples. I dont have any information that indicate that he has ever been concidered a suspect in the Zodiac murders.

He is my POI, whom I have reseached for the last two years, and I have now almost finished a 50 pages report which I am to present to people in US, people who will probably be able to ruel him in or out.

The samples I posted yesterday are "Zodiac words" I have put together by picking letters from one single text of his, all together ca 30 words.

Neither of the handwritings I have provided is my POI´s own daily genuin handwriting, they are all "created" handwritings of his, when he normaly write it looks totaly different.

here is a response I posted over at ZK.com with som more info:


Thank for your responses.

And yes, I agree this is NOT enough, "The handwriting is as much about flow, pressure, etc as it is about individually formed letters" .

I do have a one page letter in IMO pretty Zodiac like handwriting style, including lots of Zodiacs handwriting traits, like his spacing, underlinigs, , cutting a word in two, spelling "th" words with capital T, place the dot over "i" to the right, check mark "r" etc.

And the content of the letter is IMO, a subtle confession of his crimes.
It is both due to the content/wordings, but also due to dates on the letter.

The problem is that this "confession" letter is a letter that my POI claims was written by another person than himself.
However, I belive that I have, more or less, prof that he ideed DID write this letter himself.

This particular letter is one among a very small collection of letters that my POI claim was written about himself, by other people.
However I belive he faked all the letters, meaning he wrote them himself.

The leading danish federal police document examiner, has concluded that my POI highly probably DID write one of those letters himself, and my conclution is that, if he wrote one of them, he wrote them all, including the "confession" letter.

I know this sounds all very cryptic, and I appoligize for that but I can´t tell more details.

But I can show you some of the handwriting in the letter:

ALL of my POI´s words in the BLUE square are FULL/ORIGINAL words NOT words created by picking out single letters of his.
Words in the RED square are words created by picking single or 2-3 letters and put them together to creat a word.

:

[Theforeigner Profile]

I'm going to let you in on a little secret.

There is one letter that is quite unique to Zodiac in the way he writes it when he writes sloppy.

Most of the other letters vary from letter to letter, but this one letter is very consistent.

If you look at Zodiac's letter "s" it starts with a right to left top arc, then has a very tight angle turn on the left to right second curve. This is the unique part.

TF, your POI appears to have a very similar turn. It appears to be even sharper than Zodiac's "s", maybe a little too sharp.

Still it is very interesting to see that trait I noticed, which I've kept to myself until now.

Zs

Thanks for sharing Zs :), you know what, my x-husband who is a graphic designer (for 30 years) and has a penmanship (special education in the art of handwriting/letters) and he has helped me in my investigation, and he has said the exact same thing about the "S" from the very beginning. He also says that there is no doubt whatsoever in his mind, that my POI wrote the Zodiac communications.

[Zsearcher Profile]

Yes I think the "s" is the smoking gun.

Do you have a lot of your POI's "s" letters that we can compare to Zodiac's?

BTW I thought others might notice the "s" shape, like your ex-huband did, but I didn't hear anyone else discuss it, so I kept it to myself. It was one of my few little secrets. Your POI's handwriting is very close for this letter, so I felt I should "spill the beans".

Do they use the term "spill the beans" in your country?

It means "tell a secret".

Zs

[fanatic Profile]

I don't want to be arrogant, but IMO, these handwritings are different

[entropy Profile]

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Thanks entropy, that's very interesting indeed. What a pity that my use of the "good post" emoticon coincides with the top of a page. Ho hum.

Ted fans might be interested to know that Wiki says (of DID) "According to documents released under the FOIA, psychiatrists linked to Project MKULTRA deliberately induced this disorder in patients, in mind control experiments."
If they don't know already.
Sorry if I'm off-topic here. It happens.

I don't think that's off-topic, smithy. Many hallucinogens are known to cause dissociation, which presumably was the goal of that particular MKUltra experiment. The idea of Zodiac, operating in 1960's SF Bay area, using hallucinogens is not hard to imagine, IMO. Could this or perhaps other drugs explain the radical differences in handwriting from letter to letter? I think that's very possible.

Foreigner, can we presume that your POI was asked to give handwriting to law enforcement somewhere along the line? It certainly does look very similar. Was he asked to copy the text of the desktop poem? If so, I think it was a terrible idea since the jury is still out whether this had anything to do with Zodiac. Perhaps I missed the background on your POI?

No I dont belive he was ever asked to do any handwriting samples. I dont have any information that indicate that he has ever been concidered a suspect in the Zodiac murders.

He is my POI, whom I have reseached for the last two years, and I have now almost finished a 50 pages report which I am to present to people in US, people who will probably be able to ruel him in or out.

The samples I posted yesterday are "Zodiac words" I have put together by picking letters from one single text of his, all together ca 30 words.

Neither of the handwritings I have provided is my POI´s own daily genuin handwriting, they are all "created" handwritings of his, when he normaly write it looks totaly different.

here is a response I posted over at ZK.com with som more info:


Thank for your responses.

And yes, I agree this is NOT enough, "The handwriting is as much about flow, pressure, etc as it is about individually formed letters" .

I do have a one page letter in IMO pretty Zodiac like handwriting style, including lots of Zodiacs handwriting traits, like his spacing, underlinigs, , cutting a word in two, spelling "th" words with capital T, place the dot over "i" to the right, check mark "r" etc.

And the content of the letter is IMO, a subtle confession of his crimes.
It is both due to the content/wordings, but also due to dates on the letter.

The problem is that this "confession" letter is a letter that my POI claims was written by another person than himself.
However, I belive that I have, more or less, prof that he ideed DID write this letter himself.

This particular letter is one among a very small collection of letters that my POI claim was written about himself, by other people.
However I belive he faked all the letters, meaning he wrote them himself.

The leading danish federal police document examiner, has concluded that my POI highly probably DID write one of those letters himself, and my conclution is that, if he wrote one of them, he wrote them all, including the "confession" letter.

I know this sounds all very cryptic, and I appoligize for that but I can´t tell more details.

But I can show you some of the handwriting in the letter:

ALL of my POI´s words in the BLUE square are FULL/ORIGINAL words NOT words created by picking out single letters of his.
Words in the RED square are words created by picking single or 2-3 letters and put them together to creat a word.

:

Interesting, foreigner. I asked because one usually doesn't have reason to write "blood spurting" or "murderer" in every day conversation, lol. I wouldn't expect Z's handwriting in another context to match any of the letters perfectly. Your POI's handwriting looks quite good to my untrained eye.