The Halloween Card

[thunderstrat13 Profile]

Hello everyone.I've been lurking the Zodiac boards for years absorbing the information,theories,suspects etc. and the criticisms of each.I find this board to be the most reliable with its information.Kudos.I should note that I am NOT an expert on the Zodiac.I don't know much of what some of you may consider common knowledge.That said,there's something that's been bothering me about the Halloween card for a long time and I thought I should call upon all of you to see if there's any explanation.

Here it is.

The card as you all know has the Zodiac claiming to use Guns,Knives,Rope and Fire as his methods of collecting afterlife slaves.

Thus far,I haven't seen anyone address the fire part.Has anyone ever looked into Bay area fires where people died around the time of the Zodiac killings?I'm curious if there may be some connections there.I find it surprising he'd mention that and not at least try to commit arson of some sort.

[Lucifer's Angel Profile]

Welcome to the forum, Thunderstrat.

Quite a few theorists (me included) attribute the 'By Fire' part of the Halloween card to the attempted burning of Robert Domingos' and Linda Edwards' bodies in a 1963 unsolved double shooting that took place in Santa Barbara; the murders were eerily reminiscent of Lake Berryessa and may have been among Zodiac's first murders. Another possibility is that he was referring to torching Kathy Johns' car after he failed to abduct her.

[Curt Rowlett Profile]

Hello everyone.I've been lurking the Zodiac boards for years absorbing the information,theories,suspects etc. and the criticisms of each.I find this board to be the most reliable with its information.Kudos.

Hey, welcome to the board. Anyone who uses an avatar showing Lemmy is OK with me.

[smithy Profile]

Hey, welcome to the board. Anyone who uses an avatar showing Lemmy is OK with me.

Double ditto!
(Although Lemmy plays a Rickenbacker bass not a Strat, no? Just kidding.)

There was a thread on the "old board" about arson attacks in and around the time, I'm sure (nothing is new under the Z sun) - and I don't believe there was anything conclusive, but it's always worth another go-around; it's a very reasonable idea.

[Esau Profile]

Welcome Thunderstrat. I'm a Gibson Les Paul Custom man myself but Lemmy is one of the greats. Now I have "Ace of Spades" running through my head....

[thunderstrat13 Profile]

Thank you for the warm welcome everyone!Nice to know there's a few Lemmy fans here as well.


I did take into account the car fire in the Johns case but I'm on the fence about that being an authentic Zodiac event.Seems to me he'd kill them right where they were.

I'm on the fence with the Domingos/Edwards case as well.In a case such as the Zodiac I sure wouldn't be ready to discount it or any others off hand.

while I'm at it,I may as well mention that I won't discount the 1978 letter mentioning Toschi as a fake.

Anyways,back on track.I'd be interested in seeing the above mentioned old board where Bay area fires were discussed.Link?

Thanks again for the warm welcome.

[FoolsGold Profile]

The Johns event, in all likelihood, was not a Zodiac crime. In fact, only two pieces of evidence link him to the crime at all: he, The Zodiac, claimed credit for the crime after someone else linked him to the event, namely Johns herself, and two, Johns claimed the man in the wanted poster, i.e., the Zodiac, was the guy that 'abducted' her. One event led, inexorably, to the other, IMO

It should be noted, laboriously as it's often forgotten for whatever reason, that Johns highly embellished her story repeatedly, defined her abductor as someone much lighter than the Zodiac, and then also claimed the guy had a crew cut and glasses, thus identifying not only the Zodiac, but thousands of other men as her potential 'attacker'.

Never mind that there's plenty of indications that Johns was neither mentally or emotionally stable. Quite simply, anything she ever said, IMO, is suspect.

[LIVE55 Profile]

Exactly right FoolsGold, on all points. Johns appeared calm in her initial interview with police then later claimed she was frantic( among other inconsistencies)It seems to me most people who "like" the Johns case have a POI who is on the small side

[smithy Profile]

Exactly right FoolsGold, on all points. Johns appeared calm in her initial interview with police then later claimed she was frantic( among other inconsistencies)It seems to me most people who "like" the Johns case have a POI who is on the small side

Happy to concur. FG, L55.


Sorry TS, I can't dedicate the time to finding that thread at the mo, regrettably, but the board's:
http://www.zodiackiller.com/mba/MBA.html
.... if you'd like to give it a go for yourself.
It might be interesting to start again anyway, with a search through the press (or elsewhere) for arson that occured around the time. Although that would run the risk of doing exactly what Z would want you to do, of course.

[glurk Profile Website]

Hmm, I looked at that link: http://www.zodiackiller.com/mba/MBA.html

and found: Other Possible Zodiac Victims and also Kathleen Johns

So what you seek might be found there.

-glurk