Jenner Murders

[ACitizen Profile]

In the summer of 2004 my family and I drove down 101, and we stopped at a rest stop on the Pacific, near Aptos, which looked very much like the Jenner beach murder site where Cutshall and Allen were murdered as they slept. When we were there, just a few scant days before Cutshall and Allen were murdered, we observed some very shady individuals who "made the hackles stand up". Every member of the family was aware of them, and were wary. I, in particular, noted their cars.

I thought nothing more of it, even when I heard about the tragic murders of Cutshall and Allen. However, when, about a year later, the Sonoma Sheriff's Department released some information related to the murders, I saw the odd Darwinesque "pollywog" windshield sticker, and I thought, "I've seen that!" It was on one of the cars associated with those people we saw that day on 101.

To make a long story short, I have been tracking this for years, and I and another of my family have made pretty intense discoveries, one of which is that we are fairly certain that the Zodiac and Jenner murders are related. That is all I will say about that at this time. I have passed along all our major discoveries to a number of LE authorities over the years.

In any case, I think I shall put some money where my mouth is, and let you know that a couple years ago, a family member was able to identify one of the people we saw. Through that identification, we believe we might have been able to identify "Chrissie from Auburn". Chrissie is from the Auburn area, but not the Auburn area you might naturally conclude given the location of the Jenner murders.

So, here's a tidbit. I'd really like to hear reactions and feedback. Let me know what you think...

Here are some writings from the "journal" found in the "Driftwood Inn" a little shack made of driftwood, located on Jenner beach, steps from where Cutshall and Allen were discovered.

The top right-hand corner contains a sample of the signature of a Chrissie who has ties to the individual whom we believe we identified as being with the car that had the pollywog sticker that day on 101, back in 2004. I should say that none of us personally saw "Chrissie", much less a female associated with the group of cars that day.



The following image contains two of the devil drawings on the driftwood at the Jenner murder site. The drawing on the top right is part of a drawing by "our" Chrissie. Certainly there are similarities.



I'd really like to know what the experts here think. I'm open to criticism but let's not resort to ad hominem.

[entropy Profile]

Interesting info., Citizen. I'm very skeptical about the Zodiac connection here but curious why you and your family feel "fairly certain that the Zodiac and Jenner murders are related". I"ll leave it those who know more about the Cutshall and Allen case to comment on your information.

Welcome...

[Bently Profile]

I agree, interesting, and good luck. So unless these shady individuals seen near Aptos were a bunch of 75 year old geezers, the Zodiac connection escapes me too.

[ACitizen Profile]

One person looked to be in his late 70's. The other in his 50's. We determined who the one in his 50's was. By that, we are pretty certain we know who the other two are. The journals, we believe, give clues to the identity of the older individual, and when you have an identity, you can put the pieces of the puzzle together, and you can go back through the trail and "bodies of work" of these individuals and find 100's of clues.

For example, I always wondered why the "N" in the "By Knife" card was written the way it was--so odd, to look like a "Z". I know the answer to that question. Have you noticed that the first three letters of KNIfe backwards spells INK? When I get a moment or two to do some cut and paste work, I will post a piece of a document, from my POI's hand, which will demonstrate why I think he wrote that N like a Z.

If I find ways to reveal more, I will do so.

[morf13 Profile Website]

Here a couple photos related to the case:

[morf13 Profile Website]

Sorry the car photo will not load, so here is a great link with case info & photos:
http://intl.feedfury.com/content/102899 ... beach.html

[morf13 Profile Website]

(The info below is from http://intl.feedfury.com/content/102899 ... beach.html) The site seems to have some pretty good insight to this info, and the crimes. Also, MICHAEL BUTTERFIELD, if you are reading, I hope you chime in here. Michael and I discussed how this case was obviously similar to the Domingos/Edwards case in some ways, and how it was very similar to the double murders of Lisa Gurrieri, 19, and Brandon Rumbaugh,20 who were shot in their sleeping bags as they camped near Bumble Bee AZ.

Nearly a month to the date after Jason and Lindsay were found slain on Fish Head Beach, authorities released information on the gun used in the murders. Ballistics had narrowed down the weapon to one of two .45 caliber Marlin rifles. The models authorities were looking for: Marlin Model 1894 rifle, lever action, .45 long Colt caliber and a Marlin Model 45, semi-automatic/camp carbine, .45 ACP caliber. A picture of each of these rifles is to the right, the Model 1894 pictured on top and the Model 45 semi-automatic below.A .45 ACP and .45 long colt are distinctly different types of ammunition. While both have the same bore width, a .45 ACP is much shorter in length and has less gun powder behind it than a .45 long Colt. I believe that ballistics can determine precisely which of these models was actually used in the killings, but that authorities decided to disclose two rifles in an effort to weed out false leads.

Most people believe that the lever-action Marlin Model 1894 rifle, lever action, .45 long Colt rifle was used in these killings. Why would someone pick such a large bulky rifle which is hard to conceal to commit these murders? There are several possible explanations. Perhaps this rifle was the only gun that the perp had access to; perhaps the perp went down to the beach with the specific intention of poaching sea lions and found Jason and Lindsay camping; or perhaps the perp chose this particular rifle because it was his grandfather’s old unregistered gun and had been stashed away in storage for many years. I believe this rifle was chosen because it was an older gun, most likely inherited or taken from an elderly, deceased relative—a perfect choice for a murder weapon as it would be nearly impossible to trace a gun that’s long been stored and was never registered. Thus, I believe Lindsay and Jason were most likely killed by someone who knew them, who planned out the killings, and who drove to Fish Head for the express purpose of murdering the couple.

Some argue that since they had no enemies, no one could possibly want to kill the couple, suggesting a case of mistaken identity. But Jason and Lindsay were shot execution style at point blank range, virtually eliminating the possibility of error.

[Bently Profile]

I'd really like to know what the experts here think. I'm open to criticism but let's not resort to ad hominem.

AC, looks like you'll have to settle for a non-expert opinion for the time being, but at least I'm not the ad hominem type. I'm not really even sure what the term means.

Regarding the printing, obviously the spelling and overall structure of the name CHRISSIE is strikingly similar. Breaking it down to the letter level, the C is, other than being larger in the top example, unremarkable. The H is interesting, as the horizontal stroke appears to continue past only the first vertical stroke in all examples. The R differs in that the vertical stroke only rises to the curve in the top example while rising noticeably above in the note. The I and S look unremarkable other than the I tilting forward in the top example and backwards in the note. The E is again interesting, the extra long middle horizontal stroke stands out in all cases, however in the top example the E may have been made with two strokes while in the note all are made with three strokes.

Conclusion - none. Being a layman I have not idea how much handwriting varies with time, place, type of instrument, etc., or even from signature to signature. But given the similarity of the drawings and the other information you cannot divulge it looks interesting.

[ACitizen Profile]

I'm trying to think of things that I can reveal that won't compromise the identities of these people.

One of the cars (the car with the windshield sticker) also had a baphomet decal. The other vehicle had a bumper sticker that said "My other car is a broom." There were numerous other satanic-type stickers on these vehicles, but I just can't recall what they were. Both vehicles were older models, both very dirty like they were being lived out of (clothes, etc. strewn about). I had such a bad feeling about these people, that I know I took notice of their license plates, but when LE released the information a year or so later, I just could not recall.

I have actually been tempted to locate someone who does forensic hypnosis for LE (I would never undergo hypnosis of any other kind under any other circumstances, and this only under the strictest controls). I think if I did that, I could identify the license plate number(s).

There was also a young boy with the two older men, as well as a terrier dog. The dog took off down the cliffs at this rest area, and the boy (adolescent and very, very slender and tanned) squeezed through the fencing (you weren't supposed to trespass through the fencing, as it was very dangerous, rocky, and steep cliffs down to the water), and scampered after that dog like he was a mountain goat. I'm not kidding.

I remember feeling such compassion for that boy.

The windshield sticker was so very odd that I took especial note of it, peering at it closely (no one was in the car at that time). It was not white, but actually a very faded purplish-pink color. When I first saw it, I thought it was like a Flintstones Dino the Dinosaur with like the long brontosaurus neck torn off. Then I realized that the feet were like the Darwin Fish bumpersticker feet, and I realized that it was meant to be some kind of commentary on evolution. The sticker was very odd. It looked home-made.

[Curt Rowlett Profile]

One of the cars (the car with the windshield sticker) also had a baphomet decal. The other vehicle had a bumper sticker that said "My other car is a broom." There were numerous other satanic-type stickers on these vehicles, but I just can't recall what they were.

I thought that I might point out that the stickers that you saw on the car and identified as "satanic" in nature, might not instantly point toward someone who is an actual, practicing Satanist.

In fact, it is possible that the person may have been a practicing Wiccan (whose symbol is a pentagram, something that can be mistaken for a "Baphomet" easily. The Baphomet is a symbol that shows an anthropomorphic man/goat behind a pentagram symbol. While it can be seen as a "satanic" symbol, it is also used by many other people who have nothing at all to do with Satanism).

The "My other car is a broom" sticker would seem to point toward Wicca, as many Wiccans poke fun at the stereotype of their being like old-school, Halloween witches who were said to fly through the air on brooms.

Most of the Wiccans that I know are all peaceful, loving, and very passive people. Heck, I have even known a few Satanists in my time and all of them were of the non-criminal, non-violent variety.

I'm just pointing all of this out to demonstrate how easily thier might be another explanation for what you saw, as far as the stickers are concerned, anyway.