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Re: Another Slave?

Postby Zabagliona » Thu Oct 07, 2010 6:01 pm

FoolsGold wrote:Tom is a loser, and, as Dirty Harry would say, a scumbag to boot. Not to mention a totally spineless parasite. In another age. you'd find him with a lantern prying off the lids of freshly laid coffins.


You mean kinda like this?? (Yah, I know I posted it before, but it fits your phrasing so well, FG...)

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Re: Another Slave?

Postby FoolsGold » Thu Oct 07, 2010 6:48 pm

LOL, that picture always cracks me up, no double pun intended! Excellent reply, Zab, and totally apt. :lol: Even his pants remind me of those Halloween costumes. You know the ones: all black with a bright skeleton painted on it.

And as disclaimer, I want to admit that I shouldn't call Tom names, not for his sake of course but because that makes me look foolish and juvenile, and also makes me no better than him in some ways. Yet, I have nothing but loathing for this man.

He's dishonest, anti-intellectual, uses the case to forward his own agenda, robs the memory of the dead, stalks and harasses people, libels them publicly for having the audacity to challenge his proclamations, et cetera. Is there nothing good that can be said to lend his character comfort? I think not.

I recall the time I watched his ego-trip titled Ultimate Zodiac video. All throughout that little film, Tom berated and condescended Ed, perhaps in subtle ways, but I picked up on it immediately. My only pervasive thought was why the hell didn't Ed belt Tom's idiotically smug and repulsive face. Just once. Pop him in the jaw. Shut him up. But Ed is just too nice a guy, and predators like Tom abuse kindness the same way they claw the dead for pennies.

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Re: Another Slave?

Postby Zsearcher » Thu Oct 07, 2010 6:54 pm

The crazy thing is that's how he treated his best friend at the time. Imagine somene he doesn't like.

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Re: Another Slave?

Postby Zabagliona » Thu Oct 07, 2010 7:04 pm

Yeah, like me; I got another nasty e-mail from him.

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Re: Another Slave?

Postby FoolsGold » Thu Oct 07, 2010 7:06 pm

Zsearcher wrote:The crazy thing is that's how he treated his best friend at the time. Imagine somene he doesn't like.



I don't have to imagine. I still have the emails in my Google Mail account...and all because I challenged his choice to charge for various related Zodiac material. You know, like the UZ video, his forum, the Paul Stine coffee mug...only after I sent him an email with this information:

Oregon Probation Office
Main Office - Portland
Street Address:
340 Mark O. Hatfield
United States Courthouse
1000 Southwest Third Avenue
Portland, OR 97204-2802
Phone: 503-326-8600

...did he desist. Funny thing is, after I put clean and rather 'polite' comments on his YT Ultimate Zodiac page, as is legal to do, questioning his choice to charge for Zodiac related material, he starts attacking me via email. I hadn't sent the guy one email, but he then claimed I was stalking him. He wouldn't leave me alone. He then concluding our little conversation by threatening to have me arrested. :lol:

The guy is a total psycho. :violence-uzi: :character-bart:

Yeah, like me; I got another nasty e-mail from him.


Someone should start a web site just to post his nasty emails. Every time he sends one, publicly post it. That would curtail his infamously rude and hateful behavior. I'd hope, anyway.

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Re: Another Slave?

Postby doranchak » Thu Oct 07, 2010 7:46 pm

What's the story behind that photograph? Forgive my late arrival to the party.

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Re: Another Slave?

Postby Zabagliona » Thu Oct 07, 2010 8:02 pm

It's in the "public domain", from his site's Facebook.

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Re: Another Slave?

Postby glurk » Fri Oct 08, 2010 3:12 am

Zabagliona wrote:In essence what the FBI cryptographers were doing with their "early" computers was to try phrases that they thought Z would have used in the 340, and would then see what other words or phrases would "spit out" after they did this...

Yes, and what the Voigt-supplied image depicts is a small part of a much larger printout of the phrase "ANOTHERSLAVE" being tried in an attempt to solve the 340 cipher.
doranchak wrote:It is sad that Voigt can be so quick to dismiss someone like glurk who has been one of the finest and most reality-based contributors to the cipher-cracking effort which is populated by a noisy gallery of crackpots and magical thinkers.
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So... even if it's 100% true what he's saying about glurk (I'll let glurk address that)... it doesn't change that fact that glurk has helped create real software that performs real, verifiable decryption on real homophonic ciphers, including some very hard ones. Apparently, acknowledging this fact is enough to get on Voigt's [expletive] list.

Zsearcher wrote:We all know what happened a year ago. Glurk was misinformed by a magical thinker that's all. Also glurk never said the cipher was definitely solved. When the magical thinker was found to be wrong glurk quickly posted the updated information. Tom Voigt himself on his first post about the cipher being solved said it looked "compelling", so if we are going to use the same measuring stick, Tom said it was solved (and he had seen it by that time, glurk hadn't). Tom is using a strawman argument here, as he always does. This has nothing to do with a year ago, this has to do with another false piece of junk thrown out there by Voigt.

doranchak, Zsearcher - Thanks so much for the kind words from you both. I've been working on this cipher for around 5-6 years now, and I have always tried to post factual information and attempt to explain it in such a way that the information I post is easy to understand, even by those who have no background or particular interest in cryptography. It's not especially easy to do, and no matter how carefully I write, I find myself constantly under attack, regardless.

There is a quote by William James (1842-1910) The father of modern Psychology "There's nothing so absurd that if you repeat it often enough, people will believe it." Tom Voigt, with his little gun and a complete lack of ammo continually attempts to claim that I posted here that the 340 cipher was "definitively solved!" I never posted such a thing, nor would I. I would really like everyone to be able to actually read the thread itself and see what I posted, but it seems that moderators here have actually completely deleted the original thread.

The actual story is a long one, but to be concise, about one year ago I received information from someone I had (mistakenly) placed great trust in, who told me that he had seen a 340 solution that he believed to be correct. I will admit that I perhaps got overly excited by this news, and I made a post here. As best as I can remember it was titled "Heads Up - The 340 MAY have been solved."

At no point - EVER - did I state that it was definitive. There were many complications, including that the person who originated the solution was demanding that Non-Disclosure agreements be signed and mailed before it could be posted. I never agreed to those terms, never signed the NDA, and somehow the "solution" got sent to me anonymously. The given "solution" was complete, utter, total rubbish. And I stated so. Strongly.

I have no doubt that Voigt will continue this lie about me, it is his forte and his M.O. Being slandered against, I felt the need to share the actual facts for those who were not here during the time that the events took place.

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Re: Another Slave?

Postby doranchak » Fri Oct 08, 2010 4:11 am

Glurk, what do you think about the zodiac cipher wiki? Would you be interested in contributing as a curator?

http://zodiac-ciphers.wikispaces.com/

(It's just a stub right now but I'm envisioning it as a stockpile of verifiable facts about the ciphers)

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Re: Another Slave?

Postby glurk » Fri Oct 08, 2010 4:42 am

Well, I think the Zodiac Cipher Wiki is a fantastic idea, but as for myself, with posting here, my job, and another side-project I am working on, I'm not certain that I would have much time to edit the wiki page. I do have a lot of material that I am quite willing to share, though. Although I believe that many of the academic articles that I have are ones that you have found.

Can you do me a small favor - just because a second opinion is always valuable, and I deeply respect your opinion. If you have the time, please look at this image - it is actually from your Zodiac Webtoy - and also shows a partial bit of Tom Voigt's recent image.

I'd really like to hear your opinion on it.

http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/7487/webtoy.jpg

-glurk

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