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Stine's wore his glasses when he was found dead?

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Re: Stine's wore his glasses when he was found dead?

Postby Drebin » Tue Aug 30, 2011 6:40 pm

I've always wondered about this myself. Those clearly look like glasses (to me). So I've always been confused by the thoughts that Zodiac took his glasses or that they were otherwise not present. But yeah, the police report doesn't mention them.

I imagine there are better crime scene photos out there, though. Just not ones we have access to.

But I'll echo the sentiment that while it LOOKS like glasses, it could just as easily be a shadow or the way pooled around the glasses (when he was wearing them). In a photo of this quality especially it's hard to tell.

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Re: Stine's wore his glasses when he was found dead?

Postby Michael Butterfield » Tue Aug 30, 2011 7:18 pm

I have been trying to answer questions about this issue myself since posting that image, as other members can attest. However, Eduard, I'm not sure why you're attributing my comments to someone named Jake. If someone is mistaken regarding the caption on that photo, it's me and not anyone named Jake. My apologies.

I thought that the image clearly showed the glasses, but I am now uncertain given various other facts and information. Again, I'd like to find the answer to this question and I'm open to other ideas.

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Re: Stine's wore his glasses when he was found dead?

Postby Gindodawg » Tue Aug 30, 2011 7:48 pm

I think it is possible that Z wore Stine's glasses away from the scene as part of his "disguise". IMO, the glasses in the composit have the same basic shape as a picture of Stine wearing glasses.

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Re: Stine's wore his glasses when he was found dead?

Postby traveller1st » Tue Aug 30, 2011 8:31 pm

It is a hard image to tell from but it does look like glasses. Granted it could be shadows but they are being very cunning shadows if they are, pretending to be the shape of glasses that aren't there.

Regarding the pooling of blood...well that's maybe another thread and if anyone knows what I mean then they've wondered about it too.

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Re: Stine's wore his glasses when he was found dead?

Postby traveller1st » Tue Aug 30, 2011 9:11 pm

Can't tell but I wondered about that - it was behind the right ear the shot was from wasn't it?

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Re: Stine's wore his glasses when he was found dead?

Postby traveller1st » Tue Aug 30, 2011 9:33 pm

Hmmmm might explain then why I can see what everyone else can see in one of the photos - what looks like glasses but in another photo I can't see the leg of the glasses (although again not an easy photo to tell from)

Im surmising that the right hand leg of his glasses could have been broken off by the shot?

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Re: Stine's wore his glasses when he was found dead?

Postby traveller1st » Tue Aug 30, 2011 10:17 pm

Yeah that makes sense.

Here's another thought tho and maybe it doesn't need a new thread. Zodiac put the glasses back on him after he pushed the body back into the car and turned it.

I'm probably wrong but here goes.

Zodiac exits the car after killing Paul Stine and drags the body across the seat and turns him. The body is half out of the car with the face or at least the forehead on the ground. Zodiac now has access to cut the section of shirt from the back. He then shoves the body back into the car and turns it face up replacing the glasses as a sick final touch.

There's a patch on the ground that is dry where the blood has flowed around something and it looks like, given the distance from the car and the proposed scenario to remove the piece of shirt that it was the victim's head. There is what appears to be a graze on the forehead of the victim in the photo's.

I haven't read the police or coroner's reports in a while so I apologize if what I've just said is nonsense.

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Re: Stine's wore his glasses when he was found dead?

Postby Lucifer's Angel » Wed Aug 31, 2011 3:39 am

Why were they not mentioned in the reports? Simple error, perhaps. Or the reports are incomplete. It happens.

I don't believe Zodiac took the glasses.

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Re: Stine's wore his glasses when he was found dead?

Postby Gindodawg » Wed Aug 31, 2011 8:38 pm

Here is my theory. Z took the glasses and Stine's wallet as a disguise in case he was stopped by the police. I believe he was going to attempt to pass himself off as Stine. I reviewed eyewitness statements from all the crimes where there are statements. Mageau was very clear that Z was not wearing glasses. Hartnell stated that Z was wearing clip on sun shields but he did not beleive Z was wearing regular glasses. If the witnesses at Baryessa actually saw Z, they did not report him wearing glasses. Also, in all the previous crimes, Z had gone to extremes in an attempt to hide his identity: dark, remote areas, flashlight in eyes, and a hood. Therefore, IMO it is highly likely he would have attempted some sort of disguise in San Francisco as well. We may also have a hint of this when he wrote that he looked different when he does his thing.

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Re: Stine's wore his glasses when he was found dead?

Postby Gindodawg » Wed Aug 31, 2011 10:14 pm

My interpretation of the eyewitness account is that Z was rather taking his time. He had already taken time to get a good size piece of Stine's shirt and was taking his time to wipe down the cab. I beleive the report states he leisurely walked away from the scene. If the witness reports are accurate, then Z would already have been wearing glasses at the scene when the witnesses first saw him. Therefore, IMO three possibilities are suggested here: (1) Z was already wearing glasses and wiped them clean of any possible blood splatter, (2) Z cleaned Stine's glasses with stines shirt and then put them on, or (3)the witnesses were tricked by the lighting to think Z was wearing glasses. BTW: I'm not really infavor of 3. Just throwing it out as a possibility since quality of lighting is a question and no one knows who initially reported Z as black male.

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