Zodiac Killer Forum

Blaine Blaine claims that he has solved the Zodiac's codes, witnessed and/or participated in several murders, and identified Richard Gaikowski as the Zodiac.

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TRANSCRIPTION OF BLAINE BLAINE'S AUDIO "Confession"

[Note to the reader: This transcription covers the first 56 minutes of Blaine’s “Audio Confession," and was produced by a member of this board named 'glurk,' who confirms that he has made his best attempt to produce an accurate transcription. He confirms that any mistakes are his own.]

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Of the murders that began, well, around the time 1966 when I got out of prison, what happened was that by 1969 I arrived in San Francisco, and it was there, at the underground newspaper called "The Good Times" that I first met Gaikowski. And he and I became entangled in each other, uh, for reasons that had to do with murder. And, that I was telling him about a murder that I was linked to in prison. And Gaikowski was telling me about some murders that were going on and that there was then the psychology between us involving the subject of murder.

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You know, one day Gaikowski came to me and said "You know about this serial killer that's called the Zodiac, why don't you write a story about it." And I did what he said, when I put it to him he said "Take it over to the 'Berkeley Tribe', I can't publish it here." And this began a series of, shall we say, 'cryptic confessions' of what was going on. In short, that what happened was that Gaikowski he had been out here, by the year '66 and got involved with, uh, a young girl and something happened. What he decided to do was, uh, uh, the beginning of his murders.

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And he then did a couple murders before he arrived at "The Good Times" in June. Around June 1969, although he had been out here, uh, and and California and Berkeley and San Francisco late 1968. Although he had recently gone to-and-fro Europe. What was clear was that during the period that Gaikowski had taken over "The Good Times" as the managing editor he turned the paper into his front. In short, it was the newspaper of a serial killer and where he invented his front that he called the Zodiac.

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And that, uh, I became uh, somewhat aware of this very naively as he began to favor me over everybody else in that commune - I was never really a part of the commune - and, there was the case of, well, the Lake Beryessa murder. Gaikowski knew that once upon a time I was a seventh day adventist, he had spoken about a seventh day adventist girl that he knew. He killed this girl "Lake Beryessa" and he was telling uh, the girl and her boyfriend about how he was an escaped convict from a prison. Then, what he would do was that he had sent me out to Alcatraz about to deal with the Indian invasion but no, he wanted me to write about prison and he introduced the story. The reason why he did this was because that when he was sending out his uh, letters, and codes and all that stuff that they wasn't a serial killer newspaper and that he was also publishing a cryptic part - matching part - of what he was getting published in the newspaper at that time.

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I didn't like what was happening, because that you might say I was in denial. Nobody else knew who he was or what he was and I more or less was pretending that I, that, that, he was only telling me that, uh, to write about the Zodiac serial killer that he wasn't the serial killer, that was my statement to everyone years later. But the fact was that, uh, it was very clear that he had got me entangled - in prison they have a phrase "trick bag" - and, uh, a convict can be, be placed in a "trick bag" which means he gets entangled in some kind of, uh, prison criminal activity and he can't get out of it because of association.

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Gaikowski then did this with me so that no matter how I tried to get away he'd really have some way to rope me back in. And, for example, said write about cops, I did the article called the "Cop Watch." So he did these killings and that, uh, it so happened that I'd met a young woman who had a lot of money - I'd found a way to escape out - he didn't like that - that I was breaking from him. One of the last things I remember, he was telling me when I went over there he said he wasn't blowing up every building. Uh, did I understand what he was meaning because he had just blown up the Park Police station. Well, I wrote it down in my journals and I kept them over the years, but I always thought, was, framing this as, as if that, that, well, while he talks this way, you know, that he really doesn't have any connected to the to this Zodiac serial killer.

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Well, I disappeared, over to Europe, a long period of time went by, involved with a total other life. That was in '70. By, ok, '74 I was back, I would go back again. I had written a book about the "Golden Calf." You know the "Golden Calf" in the Bible? THAT "Golden Calf," I wrote a book about it, from a pornographic, philosophic uh, viewpoint you might say. I got in trouble over that book with the Golden Calf because, uh, a group of male prostitutes in Berkeley, uh, read that book and, when I was, uh, much to my shock, they formed a church, a legal church, called "The Church of the Golden Calf." I went over to Ho Chi Minh park in Berkeley to protest what they were doing and got into a conflict with them.

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When I went over there, uh, seeing the crowd and the uh, uh, the Golden Calf there and the music playing and that, I was astounded, there was Gaikowski, there he was, he was bowing down before the Golden Calf. We had a talk, he said, "Uh, well, you remember what happened, what was going on back then, right? You remember what I told you, you, what you did about the Zodiac, you, you were the first person to ever write a story and it was ignored by the mainstream, uh you know that message to the Zodiac? Well, that's still going on." He was saying something about the uh, manager of the Roxie cinema, I didn't want anything, didn't like what he was saying. He said, "Look you can't escape the spirit of murder, let's bow down to the Golden Calf. But, you're, you're linked in with me in this forever."

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I, I, er, ugh, I deeply made it clear that this wasn't the case at all. So we seperated, I didn't see him again until '83. I had gone back to Europe again, and when it didn't work out, that I returned back in '83. And it was Gaikowski, who was driving a cab at that time, he lived in a little strip across from a Catholic church in San Francisco. He picked me up, um, cuz, cuz I needed I ride from the airport and a mutual friend from "The Good Times" says, uh, call Gaikowski. I thought “Oh God, look at this!” And from there on, from '83 on, then he, he dealed me back into that murderous web.

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I didn't like what was happening because he had me over a barrel. One that, first of all, I just came back to check things out and I had to go back to Europe, uh, because I had a van over there I'd bought and I needed to bring it back over, get some money together. At that time he'd had someone from the Badher Meinhoff gang, uh that German uh, gang, staying at his house. And he went back to, uh, Hamburg. When I went back to Europe he he put me in touch with this guy with the idea that maybe, that, uh, uh, that I could check out the, the, what they were doing and that, uh, see how it would be to, uh, uh, if murder was possible over there.

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And that, uh, when I went over there I soon found out Gaikowski knew I spoke Deutsch. And that, I, I soon found out when I was looking around, uh, the the the the Deutsche police I assume, uh, found out who I was, that I was staying there at that Badher Meinhoff. I know that one guy in the Red Brigade there was, for a while were, uh, uh, talking about killings of Ronald Reagan since that other, uh, whacko, uh, uh, uh, didn't do a good job of killing, uh, Reagan, only, uh, wounded him. But when the German police checked me out, I, I come, uh, called Gaikowski, look it's all gonna, you can't do anything like, uh, that you are doing over there California, and and and Germany and uh, get away with what, uh, was going on back then. You know, the Zodiac killings, that stuff.

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I came back then, uh, to California - I didn't have any money - had no one to turn to. What I realized my only hope was Gaikowski. I got drawn back into his circle. By then he was, uh, transformed himself. He had, uh, met the manager of the Roxie cinema, he was there for a few years driving a cab, then he became a computer hacker, his whole, his whole thing was a bunch of computers in a storefront. And that he paid my way to a computer college because he wanted us to learn more about the mainframes. This was at the time that the the the laptops were just about to come out, and so that he could figure out how to break into, uh, Government computers. He had a political club at that time called the "Haymarket Democratic Club" and a gay supervisor, Harry Brook, was uh, was a part of that. It was based on the murder of some police in Chicago, the Haymarket riots of 1886.

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So this was, uh, uh, getting to be 1986. Well, I wrote Gaikowski for the school. I, uh, uh, and I kept having to, you know, Gaikowski was, uh, helping me in every way, money. I never had any money. The thing was I got stuck living in this old, this classic, uh, uh, uh, camper van. And that I had planned, really, to just go ahead and go back to Europe. Well, something strange happened. I was there in his house, and, and, and, that I admit there was some morbid curiosity, who in the hell was this guy anyway? And then one day I see he's got this uh, picture of the "Golden Calf" on his wall. Said "Whadda you got that there for?" He said "you know, you remember, what happened back there, the 70's, over there, at the Ho Chi Minh park, what I told you." And then there was a, a fellow cab driver we both knew, Leonard Smith. He was there.

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And what happened was that, uh, Gaikowski and I were, uh, uh, I was uh, I tried to free myself of the kind of spell he was putting over me, all this talk about murder. Uh, I was in denial, I, I, I, I, didn't want to believe, uh, that anything like this would happen. And, even now as I talk about this I don't, I find myself wanting to censor myself because the truth is so evil about it. Well, what it came down to was that, uh, that, this guy Leonard Smith, he was the first one now Gaikowski has decided that he's got, he, ugh, he's got a new way to start a bunch of killings. By that time, let's see, '86 the Zodiac story, well, it wasn't like it was back in the days of the "Good Tiimes." One time, he, I remember, he came up to me and said **A GOLDCATCHER** [[[OBVIOUS OVERDUB]]]

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Walter Cronkite was talking about that Zodiac one that, uh, on the television, and a lot of this, it was a red-hot story back then, but by '86 it began to fade away, and then somebody, uh, wrote a book about that, and that, that seemed to dig up that story because the Zodiac was never caught. Of course, uh, uh, it was, uh, uh, uh, a story that was a great mystery of, of San Francisco and California. And, then, there was the strange fact that like the UNABOMBER story in years later, there would be all kind of people who didn't know anything about the real truth of it, wanted to climb on that Zodiac bandwagon, they all had suspects, all these false prophets, saying that their man was the Zodiac. Gaikowski loved it because - and we talked about that because, it meant that, uh, first of all, that he was never gonna get caught.

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And that, uh, he could do now, kill anyone that he wanted. It was around about that time that that old, uh, that, that reporter, Paul Avery of the "San Francisco Chronicle." Well, at that time, let's see, he had a prostitute as a wife. Uh was a prostitute, uh, organizer. Margo St. James, she was giving a talk out at a place called "The Farm" about the Green River Killings. Uh, Gaikowski told me to go out there and, uh, do a review of it, and he himself had, had known, uh, her. Why was he telling me about the Green River, uh, uh, serial killings? Was he saying that he was having something to do with them? By then I knew that Gaikowski, uh, what was, uh, that that that that, there was no question, he was, he he he was in every objective fact the Zodiac serial killer, but hell!

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You got all these fakes out there, what's the point of doing anything about it. When you know, when I was looking at the, the one of the unbroken codes, in in, the times of the "Good Times" he, he wrote as, as his uh, byline his, uh, his nickname "Gaik." In one of the Zodiac codes he, he has the same name there, "Gaik," but he spells it a little different. Well, what I am trying to say is here that Gaikowski was, uh, saying "Look, Blaine, you've been in these murders from the beginning." I didn't like how he was saying that. And, uh, like like somehow he is getting me involved in these murders. He did that from the beginning. And then he was saying uh, "You know what, I could kill this, this guy, I don't like this guy anyway, Leonard Smith, the guy you had sex with him, right?" And that, uh, "I'll kill this guy and I'd go over there and um, I'm gonna k-k-kill him, and in his cab and take a ride pulling up and he will meet me someplace in his cab, right?"

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And that, when I kill him, uh, I'll leave uh, you know, I'll, I'll, I'll spray paint uh, uh, a "Golden Calf" on the sidewalk. Yeah. I said "what are you talkin' about, are you NUTS? Don't do anything crazy like that!" Well, he did that, he killed that guy. And, the reason was that he wanted , he wanted, he wanted to do a little test. And the test was that, just as he was invincible as the Zodiac, he was going to do these new series of killings called the "Golden Calf Killings." And, uh, here's how he got me involved in this. He said "OK, you know I killed Leonard Smith, christ, christ. You were in that van over there in the south market. I drove by, you heard the gunshot, you, you got out, you saw me there! You know, I, I killed the guy! Ok, I mean, what, I killed Leonard Smith."

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"What, what I want you to do though is, is, is you call up the San Francisco homicide - Mayor Feinstein, she's got a reward for that guy, ten thousand bucks! Go ahead and call and say that you know, uh, this guy, a friend of yours, uh, uh, you say my name "Gaikowski," and that uh, you saw me kill him". "Ok", I said, "Guy, are you crazy or what? " And, then he said that "But don't worry, don't worry about it. Because you are going to be rewarded for this.." I said "Whats, what, have you gone off the, the, your rocker? " And, and, and, then he said "No." Then you say that, uh, "Gaikowski is the Zodiac." "Yeah, tell them that." And, uh, "I'll be here when you come back, you can make the call someplace else, right? And tell me what happens." I was thinking about that. That, because he, he uh, actually killed this cab driver that, well, we both knew.

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Lots of details about this first murder. Well, when I called the police about it, uh, I think the cops, the inspector was Napoleon Hendrix. But when I said that Gaikowski was the Zodiac serial killer, they said "Look, uh, we don't want to hear any more of this stuff, ok, we get people calling here every day claiming this, uh, they know who the Zodiac is, so you know, why don't you just, you know, forget this, OK, buddy." And, uh, this is actually what happened! I was ASTOUNDED! I told Gaikowski, he LAUGHED! And said, "Yeah." Now, I thought, well, OK, now I did that, what's the big deal? What, how am I, you know, uh, w-w-what's going to happen now? I said, '"Look, I'm gonna get out of here." He said "I'm going to help you get out of here." I said "How?"

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He said "You know, when I'm driving cab, I was driving cab, I knew this old lady, I'd take her over on Capp Street, I'd take her around with her groceries, I would watch her. She'd pull out her drawers full of money, she's one of these old ladies who'd hoard her money. I'm going to kill her, and I'm going to give you the money, and I want you to go back to Europe and not come back." Said, "You don't want to be, you don't want to cooperate with me on these, these Golden Calf killings, I'm killing them, I'm killing them because of the Golden Calf, what happened!" I said "Don't, yer, yer, yer MAD! I can't, don't do somethin', don't do something like that!" I said "You're gonna get me involved in this!" Well, uh, also, that some of this, what I'm saying, is, is, is, is a bit, uh, censured, in so far as that uh, actually in the beginning here, that, uh, I was actually thinking, well, you know, I was writing a book on the, uh, uh, uh, a novel on the Roman Empire...

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And I thought, well, you know I, uh, I do need to go back to Europe and do more research on the, the, the, the, some of the sites of where, where my, uh, the characters, uh, live. I, I'd spent some time there in Rome and Pompeii, and the other places. Ok, well, anyway, uh, so, yeah, there is a little bit of guilt here. And I even wrote him a chapter. Right! I actually wrote a chapter and say that, you know, uh, the, this ancient serial killer killed this old woman. Jesus Christ, the next day in the paper there's uh, there's this, uh, uh, the the the old lady on Capp Street, the suspicious death. I went over there. God! Painted on the front, front sidewalk is the Golden Calf! I went to Gaikowski, he said "Look, I've got the money for you." Uh, I said, uh, at this point of this confession, I just, all I want to say is that, uh, it blew my mind.

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You know that expression, of the 60's, "just really blew my mind." I said look, look what I've got tangled up here with this psychopath. And, uh, I, I said "Look, I can't take this money. It's blood money!" And, and that he said "You gotta take it, you gotta go back over to Europe. What, you are writing a, a novel of the Roman Empire, right? Uh, go back over there and forget this story unless you want to help me with these killings." I was just thinking about what he was saying, well, I never did take the money, even though that I already was in his debt. This is important to remember. And that I, I was just down and out, didn't have any money. He, um, forced to live in this damn van, had a, had then was had a laptop and a laptop, and then and, and, uh, well, uh, what I want to say then is that, uh, I was forced into being a witness to these murders.

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And, that, as far as I was concerned, I wouldna, wouldn't have gone to the cops, because, well, I just wouldn't have gone to the cops with this, this kind of a story. Uh, also that he was using my book as a way to hook me into it, and calling it, put, spray painting a Golden Calf, and I knew he was uh, uh by then, he had shown me evidence, and, and, it was clear by uh, the documents about it, he, he was really the Zodiac serial killer. Here, and all the killings, and, I mean he knew the girl, and, and everything and he followed her where he worked at a newspaper in Albany, New York when she was there, and all the details, and all that stuff. I'm not going to go into that, that's, that's been documented already. Uh, yeah, you can even go on the internet, there there's a site there 'Zodiac Dot Com.' That guy, guild, that runs that, he, he found out all about that. He, in other words, that, uh, uh, it's on the internet about this guy Gaikowski, but what they don't know is that, uh, that there, there was this shadow side.

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The kind of 'Doctor Jekyll / Mister Hyde,' I guess that I was one of the, the other, uh, really two people who were involved. And, so that uh, the thing was this, that his, he had put me in a "trick bag" where that, uh, he would kill someone where I was at, and he would tell me about the killing, and FORCE me to go to the police about these killings. And I had to say the mantra, you know, "It's Gaikowski, the Zodiac!" And then, of course, you know, the doors closed, that they didn't believe a damned thing I said. I knew they wouldn't anyway! And HE knew it! That, what, the proof in the pudding was this, this was his way of demonstrating to himself that objectively he had run these murderous tests, and that he could kill then under the banner of the Zodiac, do these "Golden Calf killings," have me actually tell the police details about the killing before, and after uh, uh, they happened in detail - they were in the newspaper - and the police couldn't do anything about it...

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because of, of, the, the, uh, mythic power of, of this, this name that he, uh, was able to create, the Zodiac. And keep in mind that he was an originally, a mainstream newspaper manager and reporter and uh, all that stuff, so that, uh, he was very well a genius at, uh, uh, of manipulation of mass media. There was no question. But, all these years that, uh, these, these killings have weighed on me, because after a while you began to get in a fog, I wondered that, uh, how was it possible, that this, maybe a dozen of these killings, children, old, old men, old women, uh, girls, and that I was always there wherever they were killed! It's very interesting, and that maybe I was killing those people! And that when I was calling up the, uh, police and saying Gaikowski killed these people as the Zodiac, et cetera, that I knew that they would, uh, not be able to do anything because what I said about the word "Zodiac" and Gaikowski, and that they couldn't even possibly then think that maybe I was doing it!

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Not completely, because, uh, it came to a, a, some scary situations as the murders continued. For example, Gaikowski was very bitterly frustrated by how that, uh, the, he, that the newspapers would report these murders but they would not put down that there was graffitti of the Golden Calf, or a Golden, little wood, Golden Calf or something found near where the body was found. He didn't like that at all. Because then, the papers would have, uh, uh, uh started having headlines "The Golden Calf Killings." This is what he eventually, uh, uh, wanted. I didn't want that at all because then, uh, the, the spotlight of guilt would then be focused on me because they would sooner or later find out that, uh, I had written that and published that book on "The Golden Calf." In that book, on the "Golden Calf," that, uh, I was telling about how we actually back in those old days, um, '73, we, we took a Golden Calf up there, the Berkeley campus, and, and, somebody who was, uh, a woman, oh no, a man, and - Leon - and he attacked the Golden Calf with an umbrella and stabbed a hole in it.

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I wrote that down in that book. Well, I know this sounds crazy, but this is how that, uh, he, he would then use the book as a way of, of, of doing one of his, some of his crimes, not all of them. For example, then there's that. Gaikowski was a while working for, uh, the "Martinez News-Gazette" over there where his first killings took place, Vallejo, Benecia. Uh, he had lived over there at that time. Uh, uh, from '63 or what-not, '65, those years, he went down to Mexico. Well, ok, what I want to say is that, uh, he was saying that, uh, about, uh, that Golden Calf, and that uh, umbrella. Member, remember that? What he did was go over, he had, he once had an apartment over there in '64 like I said. So he walked over to his apartment in Berk, and, and Martinez, he took a red umbrella with him. Walked a block by the police department, up to where there was a creek. He found a little boy there, and he stabbed the little boy to death with that, with the uh, end of that umbrella.

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Yeah, he did that. At that time that, well, I saw what he was doing, you know, I was, I was thinking, well you know, this guy is, this guy is not only is, is, a psychopath, he's an evil genius, and I don't know how to stop him, now! Because by then I was thinking well Jesus, God, there there's got to be some way, but then I realized that originally he had set it up this way! And that I, that I went along with him! That, that it was like a game, all we'd have to do is say the magic words, "Gaikowski is the Zodiac, and he killed this person!" And then, the first thing these dumb police would do, these, they would, they would, uh, not, uh, investigate Gaikowski!

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But it didn't happen that way on this one. What happened was that I had got in contact with Fred Shirasago, Sacramento Department of Justice, there, over the, the killings. The, the state handwriting expert, I gave him some of Gaikowski's handwriting. Now, Gaikowski didn't know I did that, and the, the, the guy there, the chief, said "Well, you know this looks like the Zodiac hand's writing." So they got real excited, I secretly tape-recorded this. And, that uh, then, then, then he struck and killed that little boy when this was going on. I told, the, the, the, the chief uh, uh, investigator in Sacramento what happened, he said, on tape, "Well, he's not killing everybody." He'd freaked out because they, they didn't act. This is the first time ever that anyone's just, kinda saw through this. And that he freaked out and thought "My God, if he's really, if he really was the Zodiac and he went out and killed this little boy, and all this crap about the Zodiac and, and the Golden Calf is true, look, look, look, Jesus!"

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So they closed the case right away and gave me fifty bucks and, and recommended I go move out of state. Yeah, that actually happened. But I didn't move out of state. Uh, I went to, to uh, back to Gaikowski, I had no other choice. He said "See, see this thing I'm invincible, we're invincible!" And, uh, "It's the, it's the Golden Calf, I'm telling you! I can, we can kill anyone, realize, say we can kill anyone!" I said "Look, I'm not killing these people." Said "Yeah, you're, you're killing these people, I, I'm telling you where I, I'm gonna kill 'em, you could, you could, you could stop it if you want, right? But you don't want to, do you? Uh, you like the fact that, that I, I'm doing these killings. Uh, you know, you like that killing that took place in prison, right? You were involved in that killing. You, you like killers, you, you like me!" It was a subtle, uh, uh erotic, uh, aspect, never really uh, uh, sublimated between us, but never, uh, expressed.

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Anyway, uh, I, I, was saying, "Well look, is this the end, maybe I should take some money and get out of here," says "Too late for that!" He said, "But look, I'll give you one last thing to do." I said "What is it?" "You know, I stabbed that little boy to death with that umbrella." And he showed me the red umbrella!! And I, I said "Yeah?" He said "Well, you know, remember back, uh, in the old days, 'The Good Times' of that, when I sent you out there to Alcatraz, that prison, you know that was about the killing, that seventh day adventist, uh, girl, the one I tracked down there, tracked up there, you know, you, you were one of those people. And, that, well, uh the guy that, that, that was involved in that, he's still over in Napa, his name is Ken Narlow, the Deputy Sheriff. You go and tell him about it. I guarantee you that he'll get excited, but it won't go anywhere."

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I said "Are you sure you, look I'm willing to give up now, you know the state closed the, the thing, why don't we just call it quits! You did these killings, I won't say anything about 'em. In fact, I'll, I'll, I'll pretend that they didn't happen, and I'll, I'll move out of state." Uh, uh, he said "I'll give you some money to move out of state after you do it. I won't do it otherwise." I went to Ken Narlow, and told him what, you know, some of the story. Ken Narlow then, uh, gets with Detective Lacey in a car. Other cars, they put a wat... They, they, they drive me by Gaikowski's house. Ken Narlow looks out the window and sees the storefront where he's looking at a blind over the window, but this time he has it up. And, uh, there's, there's a red umbrella in the window. Narlow said "What's that red umbrella for?" I said "You know it's like the, the, he killed that little boy in Martinez."

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Well, Narlow w-w-was about to freak out on that. And, so there was more about this Narlow encounter. Ok, I'm not saying everything what happened, but, uh, what concluded it, real fast with Narlow was when Narlow was acting like he was gonna do something, and Gaikowski, uh, uh knew that, Gaikowski then struck over at Narlow's, uh, territory in Napa and killed Terry Hoover. Yeah, and he did that good-deedy "Golden Calf" stuff over there, and Narlow, then, uh, I went over there in his office, said "Look, I'm closing this case." I said, "No, look, you see in this code here, it says 'I am Gaik!' The Zodiac! That, you know, it's gotta be Gaikowski, you gotta do something about it!" He said, "Uh, no, I, I'm not gonna do..." I said "What if this ever, uh, uh surfaces, uh, how ever many years?" He said "I'll cross that bridge when I come to it. But it's over with, I'm running for Sheriff. I can't afford to do anything about this, this right now."

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And this is what happened. Uh, so I come back to Gaikowski, ands, eh, uh, uh, it it it it, I should have, I should have known that, uh, that he had set me up, that it was another one of his GDY's. That, he wasn't going to give me any money and he was gonna, uh, uh, uh keep after these killings, and force me to participate in the killings, vicariously if nothing else, that is to say, he was gonna kill somebody, go tell me who he was gonna kill, where he was killing and that, uh, it was either it was that I said nothing about it or that I, I would have to at least call up and say that, uh, uh you know, the same thing. Uh, Gaikowski is killing, it's, by this time, of course, it's unbelievable. Of course. Well, there were, well, at that early period of time, their whole, there, there, there, there, there were, uh, there was like, the, the, one day, Gaikowski says, "Look, I'm gonna have a steak dinner for us, I'm gonna fix it. In the kitchen here, ok?"

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"But, in order to get the steak, I gotta go to Stonestown tomorrow, you be there! And, I'll get the steak." I said, "What are you talkin' about?" And I, I was saying well, no, this is gonna happen in the daytime, and he's going over there, so maybe he really, maybe he really is, uh uh uh, drive over there or, or park near there or something, and, and maybe he, he'll buy us the steak dinner, and maybe it's gonna be like, you know, it's gonna be a, a dinner and he'll give me some money and I can leave, and it's over with. Maybe he's had, you know, I was that naive. What this guy did was, what Gaikowski did was, was, uh, well, you know he's always got this, uh, "Golden Calf" uh, uh obsession now. And he, he, he has one drawn on a, uh, uh, with a magic marker in gold on a piece of paper. And, ugh, when he went over there he showed me that. I said, "Well wait a minute, your not gonna... !" he said "Well wait, take it easy, it's daytime, right?"

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But he went over there into a supermarket, and, it's a big supermarket. And that, he saw a young boy, who was about 20. "Boudewyn," I think his name. And he stabbed him, with a, with a butcher knife! In one part of the supermarket where he could do that! He actually plunged it into his heart, the guy falls down. Gaikowski, coolly, walks away, through the aisles, over to the meat counter, picks up two steaks, walks out the door, pays for the steaks as someone is calling out that someone's been hurt. Like that! But this was uh, uh, that part of it was in the paper. Uh, that, that, someone called out - cause I wasn't in there when that happened. But he came around and showed me the steaks. And then, uh, uh when I saw the steaks, uh, he said "Look at the paper tomorrow."

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And sure enough. So that this, this is, what's then gonna go on. By that time I was thinking, I gotta get out of here! Uh, uh, er, and not, he's not going to get me mon, I'm gonna hafta, uh uh uh, work on the money myself or figure some way to do this. So I went down to south San Francisco, got a job as a market researcher. Well, he followed me down there. I was always wondering, how's he following me everywhere? Uh, I mean, this is getting, this is eerie! Later I found out he put a tracker on my van. Well, I was working down there wearing a suit, cut my hair, you know, lookin' good, and I was one of the best market researchers down there. But then he struck, it, uh uh, he killed a little girl named YACHT YVONNE FRUIT. And, that, when I saw that in the paper, that he killed her right where I was workin', uh, uh like a block away, over by the railroad tracks, where it's hidden, it's a graph and a telephone pole, and so on.

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Well, I thought, well, you know, Jesus, I'm gonna have to, I know what, uh, he's gonna come around, say "Did you call?" So I called! And they, uh, four plainsclothed cops come into the place and take me out of there. This was the first time that it almost, uh, uh, they got, they got it. And, that, uh, they wanted to know this. I had sent them a note, I think, or talked to them and said where the body would be found. They knew damn well that I had to have killed that girl, or that, uh, because how could any, but was it even, where she was killed, it wasn't stated. And then they found a big sharp knife in my van, and they were about to arrest me for the murder of YVONNE FRUIT. They didn't see, they never did find that little, uh, painted, uh, cow, uh that was spray-painted gold in the bushes there, because later I went back over there, and I saw that it was there.

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But, so I was about to take a fall, of this "Golden Calf" killing. And I thought, "So that son of a bitch has set me up and, and, now look what's gonna happen, I'm gonna go back to prison, I'm gonna go to prison for a murder I didn't commit, and that evidence is gonna look really bad on me." Then I had one, uh, thought. I said, "You know, I, I, I was telling them, look, look, look. It was Gaikowski, he, he did this! And thats Gaikowski's the Zodiac," it didn't work with them! They didn't care anything about that. They said "Bullshit. You did it." And then I said, "Well look, call Ken Narlow." This is the one thing that this guy, the Deputy, did. And he got me out of that mess. Because when they called him, they said, "Look, I did investigate Gaikowski as the Zodiac, I closed the case. But maybe you should look into what he's saying."

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"But I could tell you that this guy, um [tape recorder noise] I could tell you that this guy, this guy here, uh, he didn't do it." And they let me go. This isn't the whole story about that, but, this is, this, this one, this one was so close that it really freaked me out. Of how, how, well how dangerous this was getting, that, that his magic, this magic uh, strategy of saying "The Zodiac." This is the first time that it almost didn't work. And if, uh, it hadn't been for that, uh, er, Sheriff, Deputy, Narlow, calling up in my favor saying "Yeah, they really did investigate Gaikowski," or "They did a preliminary one," uh, I, I would have been tried for pos, uh, uh, arrested and tried for murder. They certainly tore apart my car and all that stuff. Then. OK.

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But it didn't stop there! By that time, then, of course I, I went back and we met and uh, he was telling me that uh, uh suddenly starts confessing about some uh, uh details that no one could have known but, the, the killer. I mean at the early crimes, the Zodiac crimes, and how he was doing it. And, that, uh, he had sent out these letters. Well, what he did was uh, uh, to taunt authorities. He actually decided to resurface as the Zodiac. I said, "Don't do that! My God, why don't we just let this thing go, you've done these 'Golden Calf' killings, you've got, you've got away with them, you got me almost arrested and sent back to prison. Look, I'll, I will leave outta here. I, I, I, you don't have to give me any money, I'll go, I'll, I'll get outta here, I'll never come back. This is gonna be, for that, forever. They'll never, they'll never figure this out, who the Zodiac was."

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"But, but God, don't, don't send another letter." He's gonna send another letter, he said, as the Zodiac, and this was in '87, because he was gonna kill a little boy, based on the information of that letter. And the letter mentions a "Death Machine," a "Death Car." Well, uh, it happened, that the letter was published. Well, I went to where the little boy was gonna be killed and found the, the, the, uh letterhead, that uh, in the lobby there at "Whiskey Pete''s" in Nevada where uh, uh, in a magazine like he said, there was the "Golden Calf." And, uh, you know, there it is, ugh, in broad daylight! Uh, uh, a picture of the "Golden Calf" in a magazine, in the lobby, the cops never even looked, uh, looked at it. Right? But they, uh he, got the little boy there, Alexander Harrison, and uh, uh, he'd done that before in '84 with another little boy named Kevin Collins.

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But anyway, this little boy, he took him to the trailer and strangled him. He, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he didn't have time to do something like, he couldn't, uh have another, uh, of course, he changed his killing, uh, urgh, method all the time. So he wadn't gonna use a knife there. And, he didn't want it to look, look like ERIC COY called out he said. But this little boy, just grabbed, just choked him, strangled him! Ok, he, he strangled him. And, there, and put him under a trailer there at "Whiskey Pete's" around that area there. How is it that, later by the way, that if you check this out that they did find somebody, a key somebody in that killing, but he was found not guilty because he, you know it was Gaikowski killed him. Either Gaikowski killed him or I killed him. I mean, let's be honest about it, all these killings that I am telling, the "Golden Calf" killings, I was there at every one of them.

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He put me up in a "trick bag" so that, he would trick me some way that I would be there, and, uh, certainly he would kill someone, that, uh, within, you know, like, like within a half-block or just up the street, or, or wherever. And there, there were a lot of those. Well, that, that one, look, that one there, uh, of that little boy Alexander Harrison, Mountain View, that he, that he killed, that he, that he did, did there. I, I was by that time, uh, well, I finally said, finally just left. Yeah I left, to the southwest, didn't have any money. So I only had enough to hang around there in the, the southwest, yeah, you know, uh, "Tombstone" and yu, yu, you know the, the, the wilderness parks there in Arizona and New Mexico. And, all that. But when I was in Tucson, was it El, er, I think in Tucson? Anyway, that I found evidence that he had been there.

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Now, even up to that point I couldn't figure out how could have, have found me there. By that time I still did not know he had a tracker placed on my car, my van. So I, I never understood how he was doing that. But finally that I realized I was gonna have to go back to San Francisco. Uh, for a lot of reasons that really don't have anything to do with the story but have to do with my own, uh, passions at, at that time. And the passions involved the bathhouse. Ok, the bathhouses, let's see, they closed some of the bathhouses there but not, not all of them. And, uh, for example the bathhouse in Berkeley was open. And, uh, so then, I would, I would come back, I came back there, and there was then a period, let me see, a period there where he, he, he, he drew back from these killings.

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He saw that I wasn't really, that he, he wasn't going to get arrested. That he could kill anyone he wanted if, if, if or if you, if you crossed Gaikowski, and you, and, and like, like he planned to kill some woman in a, uh, architectural firm that he hated in San Francisco. I don't think he killed this woman, but he could do it, get away with it, be, because of, of, of, first of all the San Francisco, basically even today the San Francisco homicide is a provencial police department. Unable to solve, let's say, bread and butter homicides, the, the gang homicides. Well, they were nowhere, they were just completely out of their depth with uh, with uh, with a, uh genius serial killer like, uh like Gaikowski. He knew that. With his computers, by the way, he, he, he would monitored, he, he broke in periodically, City Hall, broke in, uh, Hall of Justice. Uh, he, he followed anything and all stories about the Zodiac that was going on.

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Including rejoicing when, you know, the guy, the Japanese guy said he was the Zodiac, or he cop, or carbon copy, a copycat Zodiac, well, there, there, there was a black guy that did a Zodiac thing in New York, since, since Gaikowski, uh, Gaikowski by then knew that he had launched the, the, the, uh, a Frankenstein, uh, monster called the Zodiac serial killer, uh, modus operandi, and anybody that used that, or knew how to use that, well they would get away for murder forever, because by that time. We're talking about 1989, that, the, the, the, the, that, there was no way that anyone who actually knew the Zodiac like I did, that Gaikowski, that they were gonna get anywhere. It would be absolutely impossible.

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Because of the, the, the, the, it's like a bunch of prison mushrooms, one by one, all these fools rising up who, who would have superficial, uh, uh, evidence, if you wanna call it that. And, swamping the police, so that the police just were unable to, yeah, look for the, the, the poison needle in all the haystack as it were. Well, uh, the time had come for me to go to Seattle. And there was an encounter with the FBI in this and, uh, which he set it up that, uh, he wanted this to happen. At this time, in '89, there was a big thing about who was the Green River serial killer. Well, Gaikowski liked to pretend that maybe he was also the Green River serial killer and I should go up there and he, he will come up there and do one of his "Golden Calf" killings while I'm up'ere!

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Wanted me, he could go up there and look around the Green River and check that out because, you know, uh, I would put a two and two together, like that, and, and rejoicing in it. Had me a while convinced, in fact he could have had part, he could have actually killed the, some of those "Green River" uh, uh, killings in spite of what Gary Ridgeway said, remember that Gary Ridgeway said that he got his idea of his "Green River" killing, uh psychology from reading that book about the Zodiac. I go to Seattle, and, that, uh, I, I, uh, then did what he said, contacted the police, the FBI, well they, and, and you know I'm taping the FBI by this time, right, about these murders. Keep that in mind, I GOT TAPE THE FBI!! Telling what I am telling on this tape. But you know, uh, by, by this time this is so sensational that, if anyone who had any, you know, sophistication like a big, a newspaper like "New York Times," or "Washington Post," or maybe the "L.A. Times"

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Alright, uh, uh, uh, they, they would have tracked down and found out that this was going on. But the Zodiac story was centered in northern California and the main paper was the "Chronicle." "Examiner" didn't have any uh, uh, thing at all going for it that way. And as the years went by, you know the, the "Chronicle" just had an invested interest because one of its reporters, a cartoonist, had published a book and then later there would be a movie about the Zodiac. So they, they, they, the, their idea wa, they simply were unable to understand uh, a serial killer who read Nietzsche and Jung, let's put it that way. And, that, uh, who, who, who, uh read Umberto Eco which, which was favorites of Gaikowski, uh, plus uh, anarchist, uh, literature. Uh, Powell, too, and those, those, those, those people.

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Uh, I dunno wa, was into Trotsky or not, he certainly idolized that Metamor... which was Gadaff, Gadaffi of Libya. Well, anyway, so that I went to Seattle and then there were three kids murdered up there and, I saw that, that Gaikowski had been up there because the, uh, he left the, the messages there for me on the, er, in other words what I am saying, that he would take a, a template, carved it out, you know, carved letters in it - of what he wanted to say - and SPRAY it on the sidewalk!! Like where I would be parked. And that, that I am telling the FBI this when this killing occurs up there just before it happens. I'm tellin' the FBI and, and Seattle office! They, they, they, uh, uh and I had them on tape and I said "The blood's gonna be on your hands!" They said "Wha - don't talk to us like that". Then that killing happened. Well, I went over and said "See what happened?" And I said "Look, the only way you guys would do anything about this is if I went out and robbed a bank!"

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"And then, then you would arrest me, but you wouldn't arrest, uh, make any arrests for these murders, of these 'Golden Calf,' and this, this Zodiac, uh Gaikowski, or maybe even if I am involved." They said, "Well look, don't, don't go rob a bank because if you do that, then, then we'll come after you." And that I said "OK, that, uh, we'll see." And, uh, then when I was about to leave one of the two of them, "Vanderbilt" or that other FBI agent said "Look, don't rob a bank. I mean, you know, duh, w-w-w-w, look, uhh, uhh, if, if you do somethin', if you do somethin' like that, you know, uh, well, were gonna be gone a few days, let's put it that way." In other words, they are telling me that as far as they are concerned, I could rob a bank there and they wouldn't do anything about it, the next two days, as long as I got the hell out of there!

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That's how dangerous this was for law enforcment by that time. Because remember that they would, the FBI checked in San Francisco with Barbara Madden, uh, who believed that Gaikowski was a wonderful person. And, keep in mind that when we're going into the 1990's to 1995's, six, that Gaikowski, uh, had developed a whole new identity. And he didn't want me to be a part of what he called the "Mr. Hyde" side of himself. And what he was doing, he had made underground phones, he was working with that Roxie cinema. And, that he was kinda like the Andy Warhol. And he began to know a lot of influential people in San Francisco. So I was someone, why didn't he kill me? He couldn't kill me, because that, uh, they would find my notebooks, uh, they, they would would see the story. He couldn't, the idea for Gaikowski was not to be arrested, not to serve any time for these murders, to go to prison.

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And, that, besides, he was, Gaikowski believed he was invincible, as far as being a murderer. And, that he felt that his murders were part of his anarchistic, uh, philosophy that he had. And, in fact that he wrote about. So that uh, he he he was slowly becoming famous, influential, in San Francisco as I sank down into oblivion. And, this is what was happening. Uh, still, I went back to San Francisco at some place in the nineties. And I'll give you the exact dating. I mean if you, you're gonna look into this, right? This murder confession. Uh, my Goldcatcher here that, uh, you'll find, what happened was that, uh, I told Gaikowski, look, after this was going on, well in the beginning, that, ya know, the Zodiac codes, there were a couple of them that were never broken.

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I said Gaikowski, "Look, I think your name is in one of these codes, for God's sakes!" He said "Really, dont'cha, why'nt let me, let me look at it alright?" And here's a guy that was a pro on computer programming. He looked at these codes, said, "Well, you know, I can't disprove it, I can't disprove it ." What I did was go over to David Blackman, instructor for, for the University of California department of physics, several days on the blackboard, like, like this was the equations of nuclear physics or something. I ran through my uh, interpretation decoding, he's "Look, it's either you did this, or the guy's name's here. Uh, what is it, Richard Gaikowski did this. And I don't see the you, you, the name Goldcatcher here, I see Gaikowski."

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Well, what happened was, to make it short, he killed, uh, a Phillipino girl over by the unio.., uh, uh, this, the student union, that was never solved, her murder. That was one of the "Golden Calf" murders. That's pretty well documented that, uh, I had gone to, uh, a professor of native American studies because, let me see, by that time I had written a novel about the prehistoric ENTERPRSING indians